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Lolwut1337 · May 27, 2010, 01:06 AM // 01:06

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Originally Posted by Countess Marie

I didn't do anything, either, but I'm still playing. Maybe you need to look deeper. Mistakes like that don't happen. There is SOMETHING that triggered it. It's not like they had a big list of names to banned and accidentally clicked yours.

-CM

I can swear in anything you tell me to swear in that I've never used anything else but TexMod like 2 times . The 2nd time was, if I remember good , like 8 or 9 days ago.

Greed[Exs] · May 27, 2010, 01:06 AM // 01:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Countess Marie

I didn't do anything, either, but I'm still playing. Maybe you need to look deeper. Mistakes like that don't happen. There is SOMETHING that triggered it. It's not like they had a big list of names to banned and accidentally clicked yours.

-CM

This isn't as true as you may think it to be, big mistakes like this DO in fact happen. In most scenarios, those who make the mistakes try to cover it up. It seems that at least in most cases with ANet they are respectable enough to admit their mistakes. Again, I was falsely banned and was apologized to afterwards. So again, mistakes DO happen.

Smarty · May 27, 2010, 01:07 AM // 01:07

Re drunk bot.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User_...Jan_-_Mar_2009

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And I had just said I'd never go back to Blizzard...
→ moved from User Talk:Gaile Gray
For several months I had been working on my drunkard title...had maxed several titles prior to that, and was told in Kamadan to download an auto click program to make the timing easier...I was told that it's not a bot, and ANet looked at it like Texmod. I spent the next three days auto clicking my drunkard title after asking around and being told that that's how most people get maxed.

After that someone said that you can max your Luxon and Kurz titles by entering missions...just auto click the enter mission and go afk.

Came home last night with an error code =045 and a perm suspension, so I sent a request to see if I could be given a steep warning and never go that route again. A few minutes ago, I got a canned email stating that there was nothing that could be done, thanks for writing.

Your Guild Wars Account has been closed for using an illegal third party program. We want you to know that we use great care when analyzing accounts prior to termination. We are both diligent and conservative in determining which accounts are using these programs, and we only take action after we are able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that such use has occurred.

For additional information on the User Agreement and Rules of Conduct, please visit the below links:

http://www.guildwars.com/support/leg...sofconduct.php http://www.guildwars.com/support/leg...-agreement.php

Regards, GMLemoncobra The Guild Wars Support Team

I use the auto click program and my keyboard for several things and didn't realize it was going to get me banned...well...after three years of game play and this sudden of action while I watch people break the eula agreements in Kamadan constantly...I'm starting to wonder if I should just go back to Diablo and wait for Diablo 3 release?

Be warned, ANet doesn't accept sorry...I didn't think it was considered a bot as an excuse. You'll get banned and everything you've worked for in the last three years will be wasted. Actually it's sad...this was the first time I went with ANet/NCSoft...because of the canned phrase email and not even being given a chance...I'm thinking about moving on. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:65.50.21.87 (talk).

[Other people's replies removed by me for brevity's sake - check the wiki link provided above the quote if you're that interested.]

A few comments:

The response you received from Support was written and sent by a real person, not a bot. I work with LemonCobra, and he's a good and diligent associate who carefully reviews tickets before responding. While the phrasing may be formal, it is so by necessity, to make it perfectly clear what our stance is on this matter.
Didn't know you couldn't use an automated system? Did you consult the wiki? Did you consider the ArenaNet pages, asking a staff member, submitting a query to the Support Team (we receive a few a week about this), or reviewing any number of forum posts, wiki posts, even Dev Updates about the matter?
@ Vili: The difference between TexMod and other programs is that TextMod does not intersect with the game server and does not give advantage to a player using it. A player that cuts the "work" out of "working on a title" is being given an advantage. To state the obvious, it's downright cheating!
I'm not sure if this applies to what you did, but entering parts of the game as a party member -- with or opposing other players -- and then going AFK is considered leeching. Leeching is against the rules of fair play, against the Rules of Conduct and the Event/Tournament/PvP Rules, and normal, decent standards of sportsmanship. You're not only taking advantage of a cheat for your own gain, you're putting your party members at a disadvantage and adversely impacting the play experience of others.
On the "Everyone does it" comment. Nope, not true. I'm 8,000+ into Drunkard, and I clicked every single jug, bottle, flask, or stein. And I would warrant that a large number of people with the title did that, as well. Those who didn't simply did not earn the title.
On the "other people cheat" comment: Yes, they do. But we don't stop taking action because we cannot action everyone, any more than the police stop giving tickets because they can't catch all those who speed, drive recklessly, or break other laws of the road. If you see breaches of the User Agreement report them and they will be researched and dealt with, as appropriate. But using "you didn't action the naughty name" as justification to cheat is monumental illogic.
Basically, what's the point of getting a title if you don't -- you know -- actually get the title? What sort of "accomplishment" did you achieve, in cheating your way to a meaningless title?
I am responding to this because I see a very real support issue here. I see the Support Team being criticized for doing the right thing, for taking good, reasonable, prudent action on the account of someone who was repeatedly exploiting the game. I see the team being called to task for doing their job, for enforcing a policy that we, as a company, and all legitimate players endorse. Your problem is decidedly not with the Support Team, for they most assuredly did the right thing. -- Gaile 00:42, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

In short, using the drunkard bot is a bannable offence according to Gaile and the GMs.

Oggy · May 27, 2010, 01:08 AM // 01:08

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Yes.Btw, it's your option to obtain a title. Many people have done carto without the mod because it's EASY to do so even without it. Your argument against TexMod is that it is a cheat tool when it infact is not and been used in other games over the years. But the drunkard bot is a cheat tool. End of story bro, end of story.

Mmmk. Do Legendary Carto with and without texmod and post your times.

byteme! · May 27, 2010, 01:09 AM // 01:09

People got banned for match manipulation too. Some of you who didn't bot may have some how gotten banned for manipulation maybe? Maybe perhaps one of your idiot guildmates/alliance members somehow dragged you into this mess when they manipulated a match you happen to be apart of without knowing?

To Chicken To Die · May 27, 2010, 01:10 AM // 01:10

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Originally Posted by Sidheyuna Aetheris

HOWEVER, I still want to know their official stance on these things. Wanting to be informed of policy changes and/or exceptions to that policy doesn't mean you're "likely" to be cheating at all...we just want someone OFFICIAL to set the record straight.

We can all sit here and argue back and forth til the servers go offline, but neither my nor your opinion is the one that matters in this situation...it's the person with their finger hovering over the "To Ban" or "Not To Ban" buttons whose really matters right now.

PLS stfu it's on there official site and has always been there. Since you seem to be to stupid to find some obvios things Here is there website:
http://www.guildwars.com/

And here are you official statements:
http://www.guildwars.com/support/legal/

HF reading

Wynthyst · May 27, 2010, 01:10 AM // 01:10

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Originally Posted by Jeydra

Just wondering but what is "The Holy Avenger" listed in the article?

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/The_Holy_Avenger

Jeydra · May 27, 2010, 01:13 AM // 01:13

Weird, I put in "Holy Avenger" into Wiki search and couldn't find it. Thanks!

snaek · May 27, 2010, 01:14 AM // 01:14

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Originally Posted by joe fierce

Texmod cuts out great amounts of time required to get the title and automatically points out the spots you need.

i remember the old school way before texmod was around. you'd compare jpeg reference images. texmod is more of just an integrated reference--almost akin to the in-game help system (wiki), but not quite since that takes you out of game into your browser. i believe that anet hasn't banned for cartography mods because they never intended for the map system to be so stingy; whereas, they knew damn well what they were intending when they coded the drunkard title.

the key difference is that texmod helps you get a title, whereas drunkard bot gets it for you.

Oggy · May 27, 2010, 01:16 AM // 01:16

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Originally Posted by snaek

key difference is that texmod helps you get a title, whereas drunkard bot gets it for you.

Still need to buy/farm the alcohol.

Killed u man · May 27, 2010, 01:16 AM // 01:16

Anything is bannable, regardless of Anet's Employees stances. Gaile made an official statement on something that couldn't get you banned, I got banned for it. The GM's and dev team themselves can't even agree as to where the line exactly lies.

Bottom line, do whatever you want whilst Anet randomly picks out people they ban. The sad truth.

Eragon Zarroc · May 27, 2010, 01:17 AM // 01:17

i remember when they mass banned kurzick hfff botters and then unbanned em all and forgave em.

*cough*repeat?*cough*

lololol

snaek · May 27, 2010, 01:17 AM // 01:17

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Originally Posted by Oggy

Mmmk. Do Legendary Carto with and without texmod and post your times.

i did it without texmod (texmod wasn't even around then), and it wasn't painful at all... i don't see what the complaining is all about.

snaek · May 27, 2010, 01:19 AM // 01:19

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Originally Posted by Oggy

Still need to buy/farm the alcohol.

irrelevant (still need to get areas unlocked, etc, etc).

To Chicken To Die · May 27, 2010, 01:21 AM // 01:21

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Originally Posted by Oggy

Still need to buy/farm the alcohol.

O GOD not this again. Next statement would be "But you can afk in nine ring to" Why don't you get it. Botting results in a ban end of the freaking story.

Don't try to polish a turd. Cus it will still be a turd!

The Scorpion Knight · May 27, 2010, 01:21 AM // 01:21

Nicely done Arenanet.

Grj · May 27, 2010, 01:22 AM // 01:22

Screaming and crying about being banned for using a bot when you claim you don't, contact support and find out the reason why first.

Scamming/leeching and language abuse violations are many of the reasons to warrant a ban.

Ohh I love the people trolling waiting for the black and white responce they want to justify to themselves the reasoning why they used a bot in the first place... aaahhh sweet denial

Ka Tet · May 27, 2010, 01:23 AM // 01:23

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

Bottom line, do whatever you want whilst Anet randomly picks out people they ban. The sad truth.

It feels so wrong to agree with Borat, but yea support is quite often capricious, arbitrary and unwilling to admit when wrong.

SerenitySilverstar · May 27, 2010, 01:23 AM // 01:23

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Originally Posted by windtalker

So, in conclusion, you have lost people who cared about the game and people who "bought in" to the way you initially advertised the game. These people won't come back.

I laugh at your attempts to justify Botters as "people who care about the game". Cheaters are people who care only about themselves and/or making money.

It's Concern Trolling at it's finest.

Martin Alvito · May 27, 2010, 01:27 AM // 01:27

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Originally Posted by SerenitySilverstar

Cheaters are people who care only about themselves and/or making money.

That's a serious reach. Cheaters want something for less than the cost they would otherwise have to pay to obtain it and are willing to break the rules to reduce that cost.

There are a fair number of victimless crimes motivated by sloth (eg: drunkbot) perpetrated by players. That doesn't make those players selfish or greedy. It makes them lazy.

Irrespective, it's against the ToS and by taking that road you put your account at risk.

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Originally Posted by majoho

Except everyone else aside from you and him knows what he did was against the rules, no matter how many times he brings it up it is clear that he was justly banned.

The fact that the ban of Borat's account was just does not imply anything about Support generally. If you read the Rules of Conduct, it logically boils down to the statement that ANet can ban you at any time for any reason whatsoever. The statements defining violations are window dressing, but they do convey some information about what you can expect.